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  • #18938 Hozzászólás

    alien

    Sziasztok!

    Az lenne a kerdesem, hogy 5 ev illegalis USA-ban tartozkodas utan van-e valami lehetosegem arra, hogy legalizaljam magam?
    Olyanok hozzaszolasat varom elsosorban akik hasonlo helyzetben vannak vagy voltak.

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  • #189616 Hozzászólás

    Xman

    zseblámpa ;-)

    Utazó seggre ülnél de egy amcsit abszolut nem érdekel hogy hány helyen dolgoztál a világon. Itt mit tudsz és mire viszed ? Mint öreg fasz nemsokra. Ide korán kell jönni vagy lemaradsz és tõlem csak szophatsz. Akik pedig itt vannak, azoknak gyakran régi kötõdéseik vannak ide mint nekem is. Egyszerüen mink voltunk elõnyben mikor kinyitották a kaput.

    A házasságrol ezt már egyszer külön megadtam de most megint iderakom. Ügyvéd megválaszolta ezeket és ez nem változott. Aki egy zöldkártyással köt házasságot az még nem jelenti hogy itt maradhat legálissan és vizumot se kap. Státuszt nem cserélhet. Ha az USA-t elhagyja akkor csak nehezen tud visszajönni. Ilyesmit az USA dönt és nem az államok.

    Tõlem:

    Lehet hogy viszont bizonyos államokban mint Washington lazábban kezelik és jobb ha ottmarad és megvárja az amnesztiát. Általában aki 6 hónappal tovább maradt itt illegálissan azt 3 évig nem engedik vissza. Egy év tultartozkodás után pedig 10-évig. Ezen a forumon ilyesmit megválaszolnak.

    Green Card Through Marriage: A Q & A

    http://immigration.about.com/library/weekly/aa092299.htm

    Carl Shusterman leading immigration attorney :

    If you marry a US Citizen, you can apply for Adjustment of Status. However, if you marry a Permanent Resident, the mere filing of a visa petition on your behalf does not give you permission to remain in the United States. However, beware of leaving the US. If you remain in the United States unlawfully for more than 180 days, you may not be able to return to the United States for 3 years. If you remain in the United States unlawfully for more than 1 year, you may not be able to return to the United States for 10 years. There are waivers of the 3 and 10 year bars, if you can prove extreme hardship to your spouse. However, INS interprets the words “extreme hardship” very narrowly.

    #189615 Hozzászólás

    Utazo

    X-man!Csak hogy megnyugtassalak.

    Sajat bevallasom szerint……..soha nem tagadtam milyen munkat vegzek,vagy mi a szarmazasom.Seggre ulnel,ha elmeselnem neked az elettortenetemet,azzal kezdve mi a vegzettsegem es mit dolgozom,hany helyen dolgoztam a vilagnak.En nem csak egy valamit ertem el az eletben,mint te emlited fentebb magadrol.Azt hiszem sokkal tobbet.Tudod hol van Ellis Island?Na ott lepett eloszor anyai nagymamam amerikai foldre 1917-ben,es itt nyugszik Pennsylvania-ban.Az eselyekrol csak ennyit.Fogalmad nincsen,masokrol,mig meg nem ismered oket!Az interneten lehet ismerkedni,de megismerni a masikat soha!
    Hagyj békét másnak, magadra viselj gondot.
    Leave others in peace, care for yourself.

    #189614 Hozzászólás

    Xman

    Max nicht

    Igen Utazo ha te egy farm munkás pld. krumpli vagy paradicsomszedõ, vagy illegális tanulo lennél itt, akkor jó az esélyed. Saját bevallásod szerint W.C. szerelõ vagy. Neked nincs itt esélyed se Bush-al se Kerry-vel.

    #189613 Hozzászólás

    Utazo

    Jostehetseg vagyok!

    Vagy nem.Azert veszek holnap lotto-t….:)

    #189612 Hozzászólás

    Xman

    zseblámpa ;-)

    Egyetlen egy dolgot értem el az életben, hogy gyerekkoromban kijutottam Amerikába ahol több mint 40 éve állampolgár vagyok. Ezt kevesen érték el, és erröl csak álmadoznak vagy okoskodnak a tökhülyék, mikor tõlem csak szophatnak. Az urban legend ha igaz akkor nagyon körülményes. A komplett házassági lehetõségeket én adtam itt meg annak idején ha jól emlékszem innen,
    http://shusterman.com/

    Hogy mi lesz az amnesztiával a választások elõtt és után az itt van, és nem kell keverni a szezont és a fazont. Ez itt a menetrend.

    http://www.immigrationforum.org/press/articles/050404_CIRbill.htm

    Advocates Praise Comprehensive Immigration Reform Legislation
    Call for Enactment of “Down Payments” This Year

    May 4, 2004

    Washington, DC – The National Immigration Forum joined advocates, labor leaders, and community groups across the country in praising new comprehensive immigration reform legislation unveiled today in Washington. The new bill, the Safe, Orderly, Legal Visas and Enforcement Act of 2004 or SOLVE Act, introduced at a Capitol Hill press conference by Senator Edward Kennedy (D-MA) and Representatives Bob Menendez (D-NJ) and Luis Gutierrez (D-IL), would go a long way toward fixing our broken immigration system.

    comprehensive immigration reform legislation is unlikely to pass before Election Day.Sharry said that while the President and Congress were unlikely to negotiate and agree on a comprehensive reform package this year, they each could demonstrate their sincerity by enacting the AgJOBS and DREAM Act bills already under consideration and with wide bipartisan support. AgJOBS, which would legalize some farmworkers and streamline existing temporary worker programs, has the support of business and labor and, with 60 Senate co-sponsors, seems poised for passage. The DREAM Act puts undocumented students who came here as children on a path to legal residency, so they can work legally and without fear of deportation. It also enjoys support on both sides of the political aisle, and could be passed this year if leaders in each party made it a priority.
    “AgJOBS and DREAM would serve as a good down payment on comprehensive immigration reform,” Sharry said. “It would show the country that Congress and the President are serious about reform and willing to roll up their sleeves and work out their differences to get good policies passed.”
    Sharry said passage of these measures this year would “set the table” for comprehensive reform, along the lines of the new bill introduced today, to happen next year.
    “The fact that there are rallies and press conferences supporting this bill in about 30 cities shows the groundswell of support across the country for fixing our broken immigration system,” Sharry said. “Labor, religious, ethnic, and community leaders have been waiting for a serious, comprehensive piece of legislation to mobilize their constituencies and who will make their voices heard. The SOLVE Act fits the bill.”

    #189611 Hozzászólás

    Utazo

    A bevandorlasrol es legalizalasrol bovebben.

    En ugy tudom,hogy a USCIS kormanyzati szervezete felett nincs mas,csak a torvenykezes,vagyis nem irhatja felul egy allami szabalyozas.Vagy legalabbis ilyesmi.Vagyis,mindent egyhelyen.USCIS es BCIS
    Hogy zoldkartyas illegalissal,azt ketlem!.Zoldkartyas,vagy maskent LPR legalissal,itt talalsz bovebben.Lehetseges.
    De X-man ugyis jobban tudja.;)
    http://uscis.gov./graphics/faqs.htm

    #189610 Hozzászólás

    Californian

    Zoldk.+illeg. hazasssaga Wash. State-ben?=Urban Legend?

    Hali!A kovetkezo a kerdesem:hallottam valakitol hogy Washington State-ben kivitelezheto egy zoldkartyas es egy illegalis hazassaga utjan az utobbi legalizalasa.Igaz-e ez?Esetleg tudnatok valamilyen website-ot ajanlani ahol utanaolvashatnek?Szemely szerint hartyavekony lehetosegnek tartom,de egy kerdest meger.

    #189609 Hozzászólás

    Nagy Tibor

    Jól figyeljetek !

    Én, én, én, mindig csak én !

    Egyedül vagyok mióta Xman a számba világitott. Mindenhol csak ôt látom még az ágy alatt is. Nem tudok elaludni, nem jó egyedül a ketrecbe. Megtaláltam az egérutat kanadába. Én Xmant majmolom mindenhol és változtatom a nick-et. Elemmel mûködök mióta fejem beszorult a WC-be és Xman rámhuzta a hideg vizet. Fulladozom, segitsetek.

    elnézést,
    Dr.Vitéz Nagy Tibor

    #189608 Hozzászólás

    Xman

    zseblámpa ;-)

    Na szóljon be már nekem valaki faszfejek! Nem veszitek észre mit írtam az elöbb? Ez a fórum az egyetlen hely az életemben, ahol kicsit kiélhetem magam, ahol úgy érezhetem, hogy fontos vagyok, ahol végre észre vesznek. Ne vegyétek el még ezt az örömöt is tölem! Nem is tudjátok, hogy az életben egyébként mekkora egy hatalmas nulla vagyok. Egy olyan, aki egy hangosat fingani se tud, es orul ha naponta legalabb egy ember visszakoszon neki. Felek az emberektol, novel meg sosem voltam, csupan a computer elott rejszolok alkalomadtan. Egyetlen egy dolgot ertem el az eletben, hogy kijutottam Amerikaba, amitol azt hiszem, hogy egy csapasra lettem valaki – a ti kis begyoposodott ketrecesmajom szemetekben. Egesz nap a szamitogep elott ulok, es normalis embereket sertegetek alneven. Kioktatlak, meg sertegetlek benneteket ti kis seggfejek, es ti meg balfaszok vagytok, ugratok, es szidtok engem es en ettol elelvezek, vegre fontos vagyok, vegre eszrevesznek. Meg topicot is inditottatok rolam. Amikor meglattam, ketszer is elmentem. (Be is kellett borogatnom a csuklom, annyira kikeszult az egyoras rejszolastol)

    #189607 Hozzászólás

    Utazo

    Szezon es fazon helyett,a jovo heten vita lesz rola.

    Erdemes rafigyelni a kovetkezo hetekben a hirekre,mivel a beterjesztesrol szol mostmar a fama.Ugy nez ki,fel akarjak gyorsitani.

    #189606 Hozzászólás

    Xman

    zseblámpa tökhülyéknek ;-)

    Bush és pártja szeretné elhitetni a tökhülyékkel hogy õ majd segit. Ezek elhiszik a hirdetéseit, mert õket még a komcsik szoptatták és amerikában keverik a szezont és a fazont.

    #189605 Hozzászólás

    xxx

    xxx

    ide is beirom :)vagyis bemasolom :)

    Dueling Immigration Ideas Frame a Key Election Issue

    Democrats counter Bush’s guest-worker concept with a move toward citizenship.

    Times Headlines

    By Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar, Times Staff Writer

    WASHINGTON — Congressional Democrats, playing catch-up with President Bush’s guest-worker proposal, plan to introduce an immigration reform bill Tuesday that would put millions of illegal immigrants on the path to citizenship but restrict the entry of future workers.

    The Democratic plan would offer green cards and permanent resident status to all immigrants who have been in the United States at least five years, can prove they have worked at least 24 months and have passed background and medical checks. It also would loosen quotas that keep many immigrants from bringing relatives into the United States.

    The Democrats’ proposal, coupled with the Bush plan, would frame the election-year debate on a politically sensitive issue. In many parts of the country, and especially in swing states such as Florida and New Mexico, both parties are courting immigrant constituencies.

    The two proposals take sharply different approaches: The Democrats would make it harder to import so-called guest workers but would open the path to citizenship for illegal immigrants already in the country; Bush would allow illegal immigrants to become legal temporary workers, but without a promise of green cards or citizenship.

    The Los Angeles Times obtained a detailed summary of the Democratic bill, which was drafted by Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) and Rep. Luis V. Gutierrez (D-Ill.).

    The bill is an effort to recapture a traditionally Democratic issue from President Bush, who got out in front by proposing a new guest-worker plan that would allow as many as 12 million illegal immigrants to obtain temporary legal status.

    “It’s political tit for tat,” said Demetrios Papademetriou, president of the Migration Policy Institute, a nonpartisan Washington think tank. “The Democrats have been working on immigration for quite a while, and they cannot afford to have the president one-up them on it.”

    Latinos generally have voted Democratic in the past, but Republicans see an opportunity to make inroads. Polls have shown that Latino voters, while skeptical, are receptive to Bush’s immigration plan. It won the endorsement of Mexican President Vicente Fox, and Republicans hope to increase their share of the Latino vote in November.

    Release of the Democratic blueprint is planned for the eve of Cinco de Mayo, a Mexican patriotic observance commemorating the 1862 defeat of French invaders at the Battle of Puebla.

    Prospects for the passage of comprehensive immigration legislation are slim because the two parties are far apart in an election year. But the competing proposals are expected to define the battle lines.

    Renewed attention to the issue, however, may build political support for limited measures benefiting farm workers and students that have support from lawmakers of both parties.

    The Democrats’ reform plan provides a window into the kinds of compromises Bush may be pushed to accept if he wins a second term — and the policies presumed Democratic nominee Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) might pursue if elected president.

    Kerry has endorsed the concept of “earned legalization” — an amnesty for illegal immigrants who are established, working and have passed a background check.

    The Democratic proposal contains more detail than Bush’s principles for immigration reform. And it offers a different approach for dealing with the estimated 8 million to 12 million undocumented immigrants in the country.

    Bush has proposed a broad guest-worker program that would allow illegal immigrants to remain in the country up to six years.

    Like a funnel, however, it would let only a few progress to green cards and citizenship. The president said he would support what he termed a reasonable increase in the number of available green cards, but had not said by how much.

    The Democrats want to allow undocumented workers to apply for permanent legal status but limit the number of future guest workers to 350,000 a year. The figure is close to some estimates of the net annual increase of illegal immigrants.

    The Democratic proposal is largely silent on enforcement. Bush has called for a crackdown on employers who hire undocumented workers. Many analysts think a legalization program would have to include a significant increase in enforcement to pass Congress. In the House, about 120 lawmakers support deputizing local police and sheriffs to help enforce immigration laws.

    “If and when there is a comprehensive immigration reform bill, we know there is going to be an enforcement component to it,” said Theresa Brown, immigration policy director for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

    The Democratic bill has three main components: “earned adjustment” or amnesty, family reunification and a guest-worker program.

    The amnesty provisions are extensive. For example, though the main legalization program would be restricted to those who could prove they had lived in the U.S. for five years, recent arrivals would not be shut out. The Democratic plan would allow them to apply for a “transitional status” good for five years. After that, they could seek green cards.

    The Democrats’ plan also addresses backlogs that can mean years of waiting for immigrants trying to join their relatives already living in the United States — a concern for other immigrants as well as Latinos.

    Close relatives would be exempted from numerical limits on family-based immigration. Visa applicants waiting for more than five years would be granted admission, regardless of per-country numerical limits.

    The United States admits about 1 million legal immigrants each year, and such family-reunification measures could lead to a significant increase over time.

    The Democrats’ guest-worker program would be more restrictive than Bush’s. It is likely to prove unacceptable to business groups.

    The Bush plan requires employers to show that they could not find a U.S. worker for the job. But it sets no limit on the number of foreign workers who would be allowed entry, guaranteed only the minimum wage. The Democratic plan sets an annual limit of 350,000 visas for low-skilled workers. It would require employers to pay “prevailing wages” keyed to union pay scales.

    “It has to be a wish list, because the Democrats don’t control anything,” said Papademetriou. “What they are trying to do is create a conversation.”

    Proponents of restrictions on immigration predicted that the Democrats’ plan and Bush’s plan would prove equally unpopular with a majority of voters, particularly the native-born.

    “John Kerry certainly doesn’t want to become known as the illegal alien amnesty candidate, although Bush is too in a way,” said Mark Krikorian, director of the Center for Immigration Studies. “I see this as a way to appeal to the Hispanic voting base.”

    On Monday, White House officials are scheduled to meet with about 70 representatives of Latino community service organizations from around the country. The activists want Bush to push harder for his immigration reform plan.

    A spokesman for the group, Oscar Chacon of the Heartland Alliance in Chicago, said the Democratic plan might have broader appeal among Latinos.

    “It seems to be more of a finished product, more concrete than what the president announced,” Chacon said. “The president was very eloquent about the value of Hispanic immigration, but he gave few details about what he wants to do. We are tired of promises, and we are looking for action.”*

    (BEGIN TEXT OF INFOBOX)

    Immigration plans

    Congressional Democrats plan to unveil an immigration reform bill next week. How the main points compare to Bush’s principles for reform:

    Illegal immigrants

    Democrats: Those who have lived in the United States at least five years, worked at least 24 months, pass a background check and medical exam, and demonstrate English proficiency could obtain permanent resident status (green cards). Those here for less than five years could apply for temporary status.

    Bush: Illegal immigrants could apply for a temporary worker card, but would have to seek green cards separately and would get no special consideration. They would have to pass a background check and pay a registration fee. The temporary worker card would be good for three years and could be renewed for another three.

    Guest workers

    Democrats: A maximum of 350,000 guest workers could be admitted each year under two new programs. Employers must certify that U.S. workers are not available and the Labor Department must find that employment of foreign workers would not adversely affect the wages and working conditions of U.S. workers. Workers could seek green cards after two years.

    Bush: No limit on number of guest workers. Would match willing workers with willing employers, when no U.S. worker could be found for the job. Guest workers could bring their immediate families, and would be covered by U.S. wage and workplace safety laws. Workers could save money in tax-sheltered accounts to build a nest egg for their return home. They would get credit for Social Security contributions.

    Legal immigration

    Democrats: Would promote family reunification by reducing or eliminating the years of waiting that legal immigrants now face to bring relatives to the U.S. from their home countries.

    Bush: Would seek what he described as a reasonable increase in legal immigration. The U.S. now admits about 1 million legal immigrants a year.

    Enforcement

    Democrats: No major new enforcement initiatives.

    Bush: Would increase enforcement against employers who continue to hire illegal immigrants.

    #189604 Hozzászólás

    Xman

    zseblámpa ;-)

    Aki konyit az inglis lengvidzshez annak az ilyemi csak pár kattintás, de a tökhülyék csak okoskodnak. Nagyon jó site Washington állambol. Persze ez a állam sokmindenben élen jár. Gary Locke elsõ kinai származásu kormányzó az USA-ban és népszerü, mert nem keveri a szezont és a fazont. Tudja hogy elõsször amcsi és nem kinai.

    #189603 Hozzászólás

    PG

    Nem 7 hanem 10 ev

    Dude, le vagy maradva evekkel az esemenyekben. Nezz utana.

    Keress ra erre: Cancellation of Removal

    7 ev az regen volt, s akkor meg azt kellett bizonyitani, hogy neked szemely szerint nagy problemat okazna ha kiebrudalnanak. Ma mar az senkit sem erdekel, hogy veled mi lesz. A szigoritas az, hogy nem 7 hanem 10 ev es nem te hanem valamely itteni hozzatartozodnak lenne nagy nagy problema ha kivagnanak innen.

    Ha elkaptak vagy 10 ev utan onkent jelentkeztel akkor 5 feltetel meglete eseten jon a Cancellation of Removal ami az ut a zoldkartyahoz.
    A kockazat abban van, hogy ha nem felelsz meg akkor deportalnak. Csak akkor jelentkezz onkent 10 ev utan ha tuti, hogy megfelelsz a felteteleknek.

    Egy a talalatok kozul:

    http://www.nwjustice.org/docs/8142.html

    #189602 Hozzászólás

    fhhh

    hozzaszolas

    eloszor is nem 10 ev hanem csak 7ev es sasjhan nem kapsz zold kartyat csak un. withold of removal statust amire kapsz ss numbert de ahogy elhagyod az orszagot azonnal ervenyet veszti

    #189601 Hozzászólás

    Xman

    zseblámpa

    Erre a 10 éves lehetõségre ami zavaros, senki nem vár az Utazon kivül. Ez a Bush program nem más mint Eu. tipusu vendégmunkás program. Elvégezted a munkát aztán pakolhatsz és mehetsz. Jöhetnek a következõk. Ez a tipikus Bush program elv, ami pártja elvével megegyezik. Az amnesztia az egy demokrata program amit Kerry és pártja tud csak létrehozni. Bushnak pakolni és menni kell. Ha GWB egy vállalatvezetõ lenne amerikában, már rég segberugták volna. Aki neki hisz itt, azok a gyengébbek akik amerikában csak a sötétben tapogatoznak és keverik a szezont meg a fazont.

    Democrats Lodge Sweeping Amnesty Bill

    Democrats recently presented a major counteroffer to the major immigration reform plan announced by President Bush earlier this year. Indeed, the Dems have upped the ante, hoping to reel in the Hispanic vote by taking Bush’s plan to let illegals work legally in the U.S., a step further. The Dems propose that anyone who has lived in the country for at least five years and worked for at least two of those years should become a legal permanent resident. It would also be easier for foreign-born residents to sponsor family members. Bush’s proposal “is a pathway to deportation. This is a pathway to the American dream,” said Rep. Bob Menendez, D-N.J., chairman of the House Democratic Caucus and one of the bill’s sponsors.

    Bush’s proposal leans heavily on the European notion of a guest worker program – a revolving door through which workers would enter, stay for a time, then leave, to be replaced by new workers.

    While Democrats say they want a plan that provides immigrant workers who have lived and worked here for years a chance to stay permanently, they also proposed tighter restrictions on the entry of new, employer-sponsored workers.

    The number of those workers would be capped at 250,000 a year, and employers would have to pay a prevailing wage based on Department of Labor data. The bill also calls for a more effective process to ensure that no Americans are willing or available to take those jobs.

    “One of the key issues that will have to be figured out is how do you protect the U.S. workforce,” said John Gay, a spokesman for the International Franchise Association, which represents hotels and restaurant chains, many of which rely on immigrant labor. “The balance you have to find is a program that gets the employers the workers they need but doesn’t open floodgates that depress wages or working conditions.

    “It’s one of the biggest, thorniest issues we have to face.”

    #189600 Hozzászólás

    andras

    Az en velemenyem…

    5 ev utan mar annyit tanultal itt hogy nem erdemes hazamenni…Van egy baratom aki egyutt el egy USA lannyal mint hal a vizben,melozik szeretik egymast es nem torodik azzal hogy mi lesz???

    #189599 Hozzászólás

    PG

    Nem egyszeru

    10 ev utan de csak ha valamely nagyon kozeli (szulo, gyerek) USA allampolgar hozzatartozodnak nagyon nagy nehezseget okozna ha tedeg eltavolitananak az orszagbol.
    Nem egyszeru, neked kell bizonyitani, a kockazat az, ha nem jon be az ugy akkor lapatra tesznek.

    Az amnesztiara meg lehet varni jo sokat. A kello politikai akarat nincs meg mogotte, csak szajtepes van.

    #189598 Hozzászólás

    Utazonak

    Mondanam

    hogy nagyjabol igaz, csak az a 10 eves dolog nem. Sz@rt se kerhetsz csak azert, mert mar 10 eve vagy illegal.

    #189597 Hozzászólás

    Utazo

    alien-nek

    Harom lehetoseg:
    Egy:Nosulni,vagy ferjhezmenni.Ketto:Megvarni az amnesztianak kikialtott legalizalasi lehetosegrol a fejlemenyeket.(bovebben:http://immigration.about.com/library/weekly/aa072401a.htm)vagy mashol is talalsz sok infot.Harmadik:Csoda,avagy fortuna szerencseje….Ja es meg negyedik:tiz ev utan kerheted a legalizalasodat torvenyes keretek kozott.Ez szorosan kapcsolodik a harmadik ponthoz.

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